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in 1986 but are staring us in the face today. first, a much larger and much more dangerous deficit and second, a dramatic increase been income and inequality. old-style tax reform could make both conditions worse. but don't dismiss the old framework lightly. credit for the 1986 reform law belongs to democrats like bill bradley in the senate. just as much as to president reagan. as a member of the house back then, i not only voted for it, but i whipped the votes to make sure it passed. i was on the committee set up by dan rostenkowski to get it done. the approach made a good deal of sense at the time. then, as now, the code was littered with egregious loopholes that needed to be reformed. recall the so-called passive law schools that were in place back then. they allowed wealthy taxpayers to gain the system. someone could invest in a bowling alley and then, if the bowling alley lost money, they could take a write off many times larger than their initial money incestment of their entire income tax liability. we need to get rid of such a gimmicky tax shelter. paring these loopholes al
president four years. you said you would cut the deficit in half. we still have trillion dollar deficits. >> five weeks before the election, he says his big bold idea is, never mind. >> if there is any good news for the president after the debate is that the unemployment rate dropped below 8% from 8.1%, to 7.8%, the lowest since he took office. jonathan martin was on the ground for the debate in denver. you say romney took the debate stage with the top republican verging on panic. did this turnaround for them? >> they are backing away from the edge. there is no question that this was a make or break moment for governor romney. if he had not shown up like he did in denver, you would have seen a really ugly scene here. a lot of folks in his party would have backed away from him. this puts him back in the game, it restores confidence among other people running for the house and senate this year who are now happy to be seen with him. it gives them a real boost when they desperately need it. he still has problems and a lot of swing states. this puts them back in the game, it turns around the
clinton were turned into record deficits under george bush is because we put two wars and two tax cuts on a credit card. and now governor romney wants another $5 trillion in tax cuts that he can't pay for? not if i have anything to say about it. that's not going to happen. [applause] we are not going to let this country fall backward. not now. not with so much at stake. we've got to move forward. we need to invest in small business and manufacturers who create jobs here in the united states. we need to recruit 100,000 math and science teachers, train two million workers at community college, bring down the cost of college tuition. we need to -- [cheers and applause] we need to cut our oil imports in half. create thousands more jobs in clean energy. we need to use the savings from ending the wars in iraq and afghanistan to help pay down our deficit and put people back to work doing some nation building right here at home. that's the agenda we need. that's how you strengthen the middle class. that's how you keep moving forward. that's the choice in this election. and that's why i'm runni
to deficit reduction rather than tax breaks for the wealthiest americans. charles schumer was speaking at the national press club in washington about the fiscal cliff, those expiring tax and budget cuts that go into effect in january. this is just under an hour. >> good morning. we're starting right on time today. i want to thank you for coming. i want to take up those of use who are joining us on seemed span. i am a member of the newsmaker committee of the national press club. on behalf of the national press club, we are honored to have charles schumer. the senator will address the topic of tax reform, and i want to say this is an appropriate tax -- topic. time, theus' prevailing idea was that there were dragons just over the horizon. columbus thought he could find a new route, and today we will be exploring new routes to tax reform. the senator will talk for approximately 25 minutes, and and it we will open up the news conference to questions. senator? thank you for that timely introduction. i want to thank the national press club. here is what i said yesterday -- [speaking italian]
on deficit reduction requiring the wealthy to pay more and more cutting in the federal government. >> you have 90 seconds. >> again, shame on you. you thought this campaign is going to be a coronation because you're a democrat and now you are in a serious race with a serious woman and you are desperate. therefore you raise these issues. my plan sites every word that i used from the brightest in the best to but my plan together. you would be better served to be putting a plan together. you need to be honest with the people of connecticut. you need to be honest about your special interest loans. to be honest about your attendance in washington. shame on you for taking this direction with this campaign. it is beneath you. and the people of connecticut deserve better. in my plan, i have referenced a tax cut for the middle class. my plan, if you take a look at it, absolutely keeps taxes the same across the board accept we're going to cut taxes for the middle class. my plan is the only one that has an actual middle-class tax cut. congressman murphy has voted to raise taxes on the middle class o
in the debate. i think that what he did emphasize instead was that he was not going to add to the deficit or increase taxes on the middle-class. the study done the tax policy center and others show it is a little difficult to keep those pledges while cutting the rate the full 20%, and that is a decision by governor romney not to mention the 20% #says he is likely to adjust his plan, that he will stick with the idea but a -- of not adding to the deficit and not taxing in a class but will have to change the rate cuts a bet. >> this year would governor romney had to do -- say in his own words. >> i am not looking for a five door trillion tax cut. i said i would not put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan as $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. number to, i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. you keep saying that, and i know that is popular to say, but that is not the case. i have five boys -- i am used to people saying something that is not always true but is keep on repeating it and u
toomey how the deficit is going to play a role in the depate. he was a member of the super committee. plus memorable moments from past vice presidential debates like this one from 1988. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. hey. hey eddie. i brought your stuff. you don't have to do this. yes i do. i want you to keep this. it'd be weird. take care. you too. [ sighs ] so how did it go? he's upset. [ male announcer ] spend less time at gas stations with best in class fuel economy. it's our most innovative altima ever. ♪ try this... bayer? this isn't just a headache. trust me, this is new bayer migraine. [ male announcer ] it's the power of aspirin plus more in a triple action formula to relieve your tough migraines. new bayer migraine formula. [ male announcer ] why do more emergency workers everywhere trust duracell...?? duralock power preserve. locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. now...guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. extra curricular activities help provide a
on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >> throughout our battleground virginia special, we will take a groups offerent voters. >> we are breaking down voters by age, gender, and ethnicity. >> are political team includes cooper.uman and rebecca >> we have been inside both headquarters and the races this close. nodar kumaritashvili is taken for granted. they analyze every demographic no voter is taken for granted. whether it is making a pit stop or knocking back a:at a local watering hole, but tap into a very specific block of voters. >> it is still the second most important vote in america. >> second only to white females. is going tonow what sway me one way or another. mostly i am a democrat, but i made up my mind yet. successfult obama is young, women, hispanic, and black voters. 60%omney needs to get about of the white vote. possible? >> it is very possible. >> he says that is why romney almost to speak about days except the economy. >> many minority areas are used unemployment. historically, that is actu
that substantial deficit reduction would be associated with a substantial reduction in interest rates that would push the economy forward at the more rapid pace. indeed, in an important part of the economic growth of the 1990's can properly be attributed to the unlocking of economic energy that was achieved by the 1993 budget measures, that led to a reduction in interest rate, increase in investment, accelerating growth, lower capital clause, further improvement in the deficit and so forth. that approach, a fiscal consolidationization that lead to substantial growth was a plausible and compelling vision for the country in 1993 1993, it has been a plausible and come compelling vision for other countries and times in places. you cannot fall very far out of the basic. with interest rates at 1.7% for ten years. with a real interest at the level where if you want to put your money or store your money with the government for as much as twentd years, you have to pay them for the privilege of having them hold your money. if they are going give you back inflation. in such an environment, the reduction in
promise to get our spending under control by cutting the deficit in half. he was so confident that shortly after taking office president obama said he would fix the economy in three years or face a one-term proposition. today he has broken the promises. his words have no credibility. host: that was the republican weekly address. ralph from the main joins us on the independent line. caller: i was born in 1950, 61 years old. i have gone through all kinds of things. my dad was in the service -- i have had two fathers. i am taking care of my mother now who is just getting one cut back after another through social security. medical benefits. i am not happy. i know what is going on. in the last five years i have taking care of her 24-7. i have had time to educate myself on what it is. until we understand who the enemy is, nothing will change and their plans will continue. there are manufacturing a war because global international banks and their lackeys have bankrupted the world. derivatives are nothing more than leverage. you have a situation where if you look and research it, the city of londo
eisenhower's progressive conservative. he believed largely in a balanced budget and he was against deficit spending but he also believed the government had a positive role to play. the interstate highway system, which eisenhower -- which was eisenhower's brainchild. [applause] more money was spent on the intraday -- interstate highway system than the new deal from 1839 to 18 to 41 with zero impact on the budget because it was paid for through gasoline taxes. [applause] thethe st. lawrence seaway connecting the great lakes, opening the great lakes to traffic again had been on the drawing board since the administration of theodore roosevelt and eisenhower -- eisenhower took, assumed the presidency in a time of mccarthyism and incredible communist witchhunt. he did it as he did so many things in the background. it was eisenhower orchestrated the army's response in the army mccarthy hearings. i'm not going to get into a contest but that stunk. and when it was over mccarthy had him vanquished but i think it was the desegregation issue perhaps in which eisenhower most often underestimated. presi
means blowing up the deficit or raising taxes on middle-class families. one or the other. pick your poison. last week, mitt romney said, there is no addition to the deficit with my tax plan. if he says it is not true, then it is not true. ok. it is true that it is not going to add to the deficit, that leaves only one option. that is asking middle-class families to foot the bill by getting rid of the deductions for owning a home, raising kids, or sending them to college. as it turned out, most folks do not like that idea either. just last week, on stage, governor romney decided that instead of changing his plan, he would pretended did not exist. what $5 trillion tax cut? i do not know anything about that tax cut. pay no attention to the tax cut under the carpet, behind the curtain. when he was asked how he would cut the deficit, he said he could make the math work by eliminating local public funding for pbs. by the way, this is not new. this is what he has been saying every time he is asked a question. we can cut out pbs. for all you moms and kids out there, do not worry. somebody is
questions about his negotiations with the republicans on the financial and debt and deficit issues. and he was tuned in. he answered, he gave his side. he gave his defense. the obama -- the other night in this debate -- it was almost like there were two channels going in his mind, one on the debate and answering in the way he did, which just didn't fit together. and then when he was looking down, it's almost like something else was deeply worrying him. now, i don't know that. the point is, you know, why would he be so out of it in clearly one of the most important political moments of his life? >> sean: it is a really good question. i think -- i think he was shocked because mitt romney looked him dead in the eye, was very deep in the facts. i mean, it was just the opposites of john mccain, in the mccain debate, obama was looking mccain in the eye and mccain looking down or out at the crowd. very different in terms of the body language. on substance, romney was very knowledgeable, across the board, every question and was willing to take the president on. i don't think he is used to that? >>
and that that, we can do that on a basis which won't increase the deficit. that was their position as i said for 99% -- >> but still his position -- >> hold on, joe, and you cannot do that as a mathematical matter without raising the tax burden on the middle class, it's not possible and all this debate about my studies and your studies is not possible, as bill clinton said at the democratic convention it's arithmetic. >> can we taxle the deficit without affecting the middle class? >> if i were vice president biden i'd put that back on the table and push it because it's too late to change your position 30 or 40 days before the election in a campaign that's gone, you know, for a year and a half. it's too late especially on an issue which you've been talking about every single day for those 18 months. it's too late. i'd take the view you can't change your position on something like that 30 days before the election, you can't change your position on repealing every fapset of obama ca facet of obama care or every facet of dodd-frank. we have a debate tonight, so to say nevermind, that doesn't wor
leprosy to the deficit? >> i think that's his you view. >> so that was a fair interaction. >> one of the problems we have is sort of the jumpiness. andrew sullivan finds a poll, freaks out, and you kind of got to tell him to fall back, and i saw at least on buzz feed they originally ran with the big headline that ryan stormed out of this interview and then people said, well, he ended it early. you get caught up on those kerfuffles. it's a clear illustration of his view. i don't think he was out of line in the way he answered the question. he pointed only to charities to solve these problems. there's reames of research that shows local charities do great work but they cannot conquer the kind of issue that is were on the table there. >> i don't know, to that point, the specific elements of the ryan budget as voted through the house for the fiscal period up to 2013 actually would eviscerate pell grants, kill support of -- whas it called safe start -- head start, and all these provithss for people in low income families where crime is often very high in areas where crime is often very
. jordan zimmerman allows five runs. deficit 7-1, nats fighting back. zimmerman takes lance lynn deep to left field, a solo home run. next batter adam laroche, little rally perhaps, follows suit to right field off lynn, back to back jacks, deficit now 7-3. top of the 7th now an 8-4 ballgame, somewhat manageable. zimmerman with two on lines out to left field. jayson werth tags and scores. the relay throw is awful. harper tries to go and is tagged out. nats fall to the cards 12-4, series tied 1-1 surrendering double digit runs to the cards now, nothing new. the fourth time this year that's happened. let's hope the cards got those runs out of their system. lindsay murphy joins us live from st. louis with more. >> reporter: hey, let's just call it like it is. this was an ugly game for the nationals. the cardinals 12 runs on 13 hits and once again pitching is a concern for this nationals ball club. jordan zimmerman has been consistent all season lasted only three innings, his shortest outing since coming off tommy johns surgery. so think about that a second. this ballclub you would think
that they are not going to cut taxes in way that willed a to the deficit, and i'll bet they are also claim that they are not going to raise taxes on the middle class, but they'll give the middle class a tax break. all of those lies we have heard before. and obamacare is a big government program. i don't think joe can be too aggressive. he doesn't have to be obnoxious. that's not his style anyhow. but he has to take on every single one of those. the other thing i think is is important for joe biden, i believe, that he has got to remember, that this is not for him. nobody is going to vote for him or paul ryan. if you are going to vote for just joe biden or paul ryan. if you want to vote for paul ryan and joe biden, you can't do that. it's not about paul or joe, it's about barack obama and mitt romney. and joe biden has to keep bringing it back to the fundamental choices. move forward with obama or move backward with mitt romney. i think joe has to make that point over and over and over again. and then i think it is important for us to realize that in the past there have
will do little to cut the deficit. >> somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. rounding him up. elmo's got to watch out too. >> reporter: but elmo is not tickled. sesame street's producers released a statement saying it's not taking sides adding we have approved no campaign ads and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down. republicans are now calling it the big bird backfire. >> i just find it troubling that the president's message -- the president's focus 28 days from election day is big bird. >> reporter: romney's advisors say it's a surprising tactic given what then-senator obama said in his convention speech in 2008. >> if you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. you make a big election about small things. >> reporter: the romney campaign also believes the candidate is connecting better with voters. here getting choked up talking about navy seal glenn dougherty who died in a consulate attack in libya, a man romney said he once met. >> you can imagine how i felt when i found out that he was one o
national deficit has grown through $16 trillion. the president said he was gone to cut that in half, but it doubled under his watch. very disturbing is that when the president came into office there were 32 million americans on food stamps. today its 47 million. there is still an incredible number of ohioans and americans out there struggling. the choice is clear. we can have four more years like the last of zero four. what america needs is a real recovery. only romney and ryan can provide that. host: when the president took office we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. since the president took office, we have 5.5 million additional jobs. truck about the automobile recovering, he saved the automobile industry and 1/88 jobs in the state are reflective of the auto industry. i worked the railroad 41 years. the guys and women working there, they're happy, jumping up and down because they have employment. one out of eight jobs are connected to the auto industry. not only that, the government at the time, strickland, and the president came to and youngstown, my area, and it one of the last
competitiveness for the economy. another important element is the public sector deficit, and the stability of the government debt . another important structural reform is being put into the spanish constitution, the financial stability law. that means that the government is going to be more able to meet their objectives and to put a degree of control on the expenses and the deficit. the government can control the expenditures from the central government. another part of the government. you have unique tools in order to make that complied. now, the government as the proper tools to address these issues. in the process of addressing the fiscal situation, we have a totally out of control deficit in year 2009. deficit exceeding 11% of its gdp. now we and the royal of reducing the deficit. the very important issue is about the capacity of the government to get to the 6% public sector deficits. as the greek of skepticism in the markets, the capacity of the government. the government is confident that we can get to this figure. if they work to get their it will be very important positive message
would call these gimmicks, the full ten year cost of this bill has of $460 billion deficit. the second has a one half trillion dollar deficit. probably the most cynical gimmick in this bill is something that we all probably agree on. we don't think we should cut doctors' 21% next year. we stop those cuts from occurring every year for the last seven years. we all call this the toxics. well, according to your numbers it cost her her $71 billion. it was in the first iteration of all these bills. because it was a big price tag and made the score look bad, may look like a deficit, that provision was taken out and has been going on in stand-alone legislation. ignoring these costs does not remove them from the backs of taxpayers. hiding spending does not reduce spending. and so when you take a look of this is just as not add up. let's finish with the cost curve. we bending the cost curve down or up? well, if you look at your own chief actuary of medicare revenue up. he is time we are going up $222 billion, adding more to the unsustainable fiscal situation we have. and so when you take a look
't increase the deficit. but i have to tell you, three of those six studies were blog posts or op-eds and one of them was paid for by romney for president, inc. that's the most elegant mendacity i've ever seen, isn't it? >> i would love to have their campaign promote my blog. if each post is a study, you can really get on a roll there. i'm really glad you're spotlighting this, martin, because this is the biggest problem they have on the domestic front. they've outlined these 20% cuts for everyone, that's a 20% cut in taxes for the 1%, and then they've said but don't worry, it's not really going to cut the taxes on the rich because we have this larger plan that we won't detail, and this is a lie that the press has trouble dealing with. this would be like if you went to dinner with someone at mcdonald's and they say i'm going to get a sandwich and drink and dessert for under $2. and you say i can see that's impossible because the price is on the menu. and they say you haven't heard my plan yet. you have to wait until i get elected -- >> i'm looking at the menu sheet and it says the price -- >>
'60s, we were running budget surpluses. even in the early '80s, the budget deficit was a lot smaller. that's the key reason i'd be concerned. i think tax reform is a good idea. doug is right. we need to have tax reform, but we need tax reform that raises enough revenue to lower tax rates and also goes to reducing future budget deficit because if we don't get the deficits down, lower tax rates aren't going help us. >> and doug, do you think it's fair to say, romney ryan have been saying they think a 3% growth is reasonable. do you think it is? because for in of this math to work out and this whole argument everybody's having about whether they can cut taxes and close enough loopholes, they are counting on economic growth on being part of making up that difference. will it? >> you can't say for sure because good tax policy does t matter. t not the only thing going on out there and you would have to have a displn palestinianed, economic policy. we have a serious threat to the economy from existed and projected debt. it is different from the era of reagan in that debt is not being driv
. the facts are clear. obama's four deficits are the four largest in us history. he's adding almost as much debt as all 43 previous presidents -- combined. and over 30 cents of every dollar obama spends is borrowed. much of it from countries like china. he's not just wasting money, he's borrowing it and then wasting it. we can't afford four more years. [ romney ] i'm mitt romney and i approve this message.
. >> no. >> we cannot afford another series of budget deficits of roughly $1 trillion per year. this is not just bad for the economy. it's bad for jobs. >> brandi hitt, abc news, ky. >> during tonight's debate, log on to wjla.com/react from your compatible smartphone tablets or browser and give us your reaction. we will show the results on abc 7 news at 11:00. we are looking at 48 degrees >> . still to come, an update on a man brutally beaten near the eastern market area in the district. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> thursday morning, welcome back. adam caskey and with a look at your forecast. it may be a lot cooler today than yesterday by about 10 degrees. tomorrow will be verisimilar but breezy. you'll notice the wind on friday. 45 now in frederick, 47 in martinsburg, 32 in oakland maryland. 53 at reagan national. 62 degrees today for the high temperature with a good amount of sunshine. blue skies. the average high is 70. we will be close to 60. mid 60's tomorrow with scattered clouds and a northwest breeze at 10-15. we will talk about t
states and six years later, left with massive deficits. during his time in the senate, national debt went up by $16,000 every second and in an earlier debate, he conceded spending was a problem when he was in the senate. we also have people who know how to work together. as a nonpartisan mayor in richmond, i worked to cut crime, build schools, and grow the economy, and as a governor in a tough time, we worked to win all kinds of accolades for the state. my opponent, when he was governor, said his job was to knock democrats soft teeth down their whiny throats and took a similar position in the senate, siding against compromise efforts led by then virginia's senior senator john warner. we need to join together to move forward and that's what i'll do as your next united states senator. >> mr. allen, your opening statement. >> thank you, bob, and thank you all for listening and watching this debate. folks, i envision a much better future than what we're having to endure these days and that's why i've put forth a detailed plan. my blueprint for america's come back. to get our economy stronger,
- or increase e the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? let me tell you how i will create 12 million jobs when president obama couldn't. first my energy independence policy means more than three million new jobs. many of them in manufacturing. my tax reform plan to lower tes for the middle class and for small business creates seven million more. and expanding trade, cracking down on china and improving job training takes us to over 12 million new jobs. i'm mitt romney, and i approve this message. pamela howze: it just seems like such an... infringement on our lives. how dare they step into my life that way. it's none of their business. he's trying to restrict us again. he's taking us backwards. george allen is the last thing we need in washington. anncr: the democratic senatorial campaign committee is... responsible for the content of this advertising.
years later left with massive deficits. during his time in the senate, the national debt went up by $16,000. he conceded that spending was a problem in the senate. we also have people who need to know how to work together. i learned to cut crime bills and the economy. my opponent said his job was to not democrats softly. he took this similar position in the senate, fighting efforts led by the then-senior virginia senator. when someone who will fight and that is what i will do is your next to none state senator. >> if mr. allen, your opening statement. >> thank you. it's much better future than what we are having to endure these days. that is why i put forward a detailed plan. my blueprint for america to get an economy and stronger jobs. the question is which one of us can be accounted upon. you may have read an article that was comparing our two governorships. the call me when the most accomplished modern governors with major improvements in public education, safety, welfare reform, and i described how worked with leaders in the other party to get results for the people. the bad economy
is already under way. >> here we go. tara, thank you so much. >>> controlling the deficit is one of the key issues of campaign 2012. this week, a group of bipartisan senators is meeting in virginia to try to keep the nation from falling off the so called fiscal cliff. the group of eight senators, four republicans and four democrats, is expected to meet for three days to try and reach a deficit reduction proposal that's acceptable to congress and the president. the fiscal cliff refers to budget control measures scheduled to take effect at year's end, including tax increases and spending cuts. >>> today attack now on the u.s. consulate in libya. one of the men responsible for the security of u.s. diplomatic in libya said he knew there were security issues there long before the deadly attack in benghazi. he's scheduled to testify tomorrow. sheryl atkinson has his story. >> reporter: lieutenant colonel andrew wood last set foot in libya in february to elite a security team with expertise in counterterrorism. from the moment he arrived, he says he saw chaos. >> shooting instances occurred. many
'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >>> tough news for the budget tonight, could cost you more to use banking services and go to the grocery store. shawn yancy has your fox 5 top five. >> up first tonight, brian, why it's going to cost you more to buy one of your favorite fruits. no. 5, an apple a day could hit you right in the wallet. apple prices in the northeast are rising due to cold weather creating bad growing conditions. it's a different story on the west coast. farms in washington state are producing a bumper crop. no. 4, eating tomatoes may lower a man's risk of stroke. tomatoes are high in the ant ox dent lycopene. researchers -- antioxidant lycopene researchessers found. no. 3, feat is changing its -- researchers found. no. 3, at&t is changing its return policy. if you bought after the 7th, you only have 14 days. most u.s. carriers have the same 14 day return policy. no. 2, honda is recalling 268 through crvs in the u.s. due to a potential fire hazard. rain may be ab
the economy, on jobs, on federal spending and the deficit. and that poll was taken, most of that poll was taken before last week's debate which widely is seen as going to mitt romney. now, in california, the president last night actually mocked his own debate performance, poked fun at himself. take a listen to this. >> everybody here is such great friends, and they just perform flawlessly night after night. i can't always say the same. >> reporter: so the pressure's really on the president for the next presidential debate which will be, of course, next week. but first, the two number twos are going to go head to head thursday night in danville, kentucky. no one knows what to expect from that one. joe biden going at it with congressman paul ryan. we haven't seen these two go head to head before. so a lot going on this week with this foreign policy speech. a lot of fund-raisers out west with the president and then, of course, the big debate on thursday night. for "cbs this morning," i'm jan crawford in lexington, virginia. >>> california's governor is taking emergency steps to cut risin
of this bill is a $460 billion deficit. the second cost has a $1.7 trillion deficit. the most cynical give a guy in this bill is something we probably all agree on -- we do not think we should cut doctors' 21% next year. we stopped those cuts from occurring every year the last seven years. according to your numbers, this costs $371 billion. it was in the first iteration of all these bills, but because it was a big price tag and made the score look bad, that provision was taken out, and it has been going on in stand-alone legislation. but ignoring these costs does not remove them from the backs of taxpayers. hiding spending does not reduce spending. when you take a look at all of this, it just does not add up. i will finish with the cost curve. are we bending the cost curve down or up? if you look in your own chief actuary at medicare, we are bending it up. he is claiming we are going up $221 billion, adding more to the fiscally unstable situation we have. when you look at this, it is really deeper than deficits or the budget gimmicks or the actuarial analysis. there really is a difference
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